Not at all happy with the current direction of SW EU

El Chuxter

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I'm pretty close to cutting out any further EU works that take place after ROTJ. Why? The more I think about it, the more the current direction of the novels and comics seems to be undermining the films themselves.

You can have Sith in any work published prior to 1999. Chalk it up to ignorance.

You can have Sith in any work published now that takes place prior to ROTJ. The Force is not yet at balance.

You CANNOT include Sith in anything published after the prequels that takes place after Anakin's death. Period. No question, end of story.

Why not? The Force has been brought to the proper balance. The Sith are extinguished. They are no more. They have ceased to be. Including them now is a feeble attempt to sell more books because the folks at Lucasfilm care more about money than Lucas's story, and they think cool-looking character designs with lots of red lightsabers sell more books than decent, consistent storytelling.

Including Sith is tantamount to having a sequel to Babe start with Farmer Hoggett kicking the snot out of Babe and yelling, "That won't do, Pig! That won't do!"

So, pretty pictures notwithstanding, I doubt I'll pick up any more issues of Legacy. And I have serious doubts that I'll be reading the upcoming Legacy novels if they continue in this vein as well.

I'll be first in line for Allegiance and the Darths Bane and Plagueis novels, though.
 

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Hopefully more PU fans'll come to the realization that ALL PU (with the exception of SOTE) is just carp and that they need to stop making useless and stupid PU figures.
 

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I still think a distinction can be made between regular Dark Jedi and the Sith who wielded unnatural abilities. As mentioned in our Force Balance thread, my chief theory of why the Force is imbalanced has to do with the Sith living beyond their natural lifespans and thus everything they affect afterwards is tainted and thus those lives affect the Force they create - the Force can tolerate evil Force users who affect things greatly so long as they die when nature says its their time, but when they refuse to die and use the Force to continue living, it creates a downward spiral effect. Not that I ever read that much EU, but I can totally forgive any evil Force user who isn't called a Sith and using that life-extending power.
 

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I thought the Clone Emperor was a slap in the face to ROTJ so I've felt a distaste for the EU for a long time.
 

El Chuxter

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At least there were comments by other characters (including Mara Jade, who should know) about them believing it was just a clone of Palpatine who thought he was Palpatine reincarnated. Boba Fett's resurrection from that series bothers me as much as or more than Palpatine's or Dengar's. (Dengar had been previously shot to death by Ms Jade in Tim Zahn's books that took place a year earlier.)

This new resurgence of Sith is just totally wrong. Absolutely wrong. I'm talking wronger than finding a picture of your grandmother in an old Playboy magazine wrong.

BTW, "William Joel"? Classic. :beard:
 

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I didn't know that Chux, about the Clone just thinking he was the Emperor. Was that a later retcon ? lol

I do recall Dengar getting killed in that one book, Mara picked up his ID or something and it read "Dengar." Thanks for refreshing me on that one, I forgot all about it but remember reading it now. :)

The William Joel reference is from a different episode, I can't remember which one offhand, but Dwight is playing "You are the Sunshine of My Life" (?) on a recorder/flute thing and he makes the WJ reference. lol lol lol
 

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not only dash rendar but the outrider and prince xixor. and i don't think snoova chewie gets nearly enough publicity for being one of the worst figures in the POTF2 line.

now that i think about it, i don't really like EU from the OT and afterwards but PT and before i can accept.
 

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Caesar said:
I thought the Clone Emperor was a slap in the face to ROTJ so I've felt a distaste for the EU for a long time.
I do not approve of Dark Empire. I do however approve of Obi-Wan clones that LucasLicensing made them rename into Joruus C'boath. :D
 

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The thing about the Clone Emperor possibly not being the Emperor came from a book about five years later. The point being, if he was really the Emperor returning from the grave, why didn't he try to contact his Hands, and instead assembled a new group of less talented cronies?

The only thing Dark Empire had going for it was the art. It was gorgeous, but totally inappropriate for SW.
 

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Some of these stories are lame, and some are enjoyable. I just don't take them that seriously, I take them for what they are (kinda like Marvel's "what if" comics). If I read an EU story, it doesn't affect my feelings for the real deal (the movies).

Now if Legacy was released in movie form as "episode 7" or something, that would definitely be a problem in my book. But as it is now, just take 'em or leave 'em I say.

Same thing with the EU figures, I get some enjoyment out of those, but it's more of a novelty thing (like X-Mas Yoda and such). Some of these characters don't look like they belong in the SW universe, but their designs make for some fun toys. :yes:
 

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I think the discussion of EU that took a tangent to toys and figures is a good distinction to make. Many collectors lamented the carp (I don't know who here at SSG started that, but it's classic! :D ) that Hasbro was producing, and it seems that Lucasbooks is headed in the same direction. (Anyone notice that the quality of books has basically dropped since Del Rey was taken off the covers of books?) With EU, it is fiction. I do try to read everything (that was one collection thing I never stopped by a completist for), and I try to recall as much as I can. But, it seems the editor-in-chief has a bionic hand, has yelled "yippee! " before, and fell into a river of lava (BTW, the person I'm referring to is Sio Bibble, of course :p )... heading towards the Dark Side.

It's one thing to have to re-work EU plotlines to fit the films (and I think the EU has done a pretty good job of that, Boba Fett-Jaster Mareel-stormtrooper-Fenn Shysa notwithstanding), but another to basically re-work the films to fit your plot ideas. Dis'n bad hebbin, boyos... :upset:
 

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I tend to think of most, maybe all, EU as not the real Star Wars.
Star Wars begins and ends in the six movies.
While I have enjoyed a few comics and books, and others are just laughable, I don't consider them as part of the main story.
 

Bel-Cam Jos

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To steal a couple of Chux's choices...

Darth Krayt: the Cheesy Moron-aroni.

Jacen has to be the Legacy Sith. Even Ben won't go that far; he might be the "apprentice" to Jacen's "master" status, IMO.