Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi

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StarWars.com revealed the title of Episode VIII, and it's: THE LAST JEDI.

The poster is in the same style of the first TFA teaser poster, though the yellow SW logo is now red. I like that the logos for the new saga movies are consistent with each other; now will the Han Solo movie follow Rogue One's style, or do its own thing?

As for the title itself, well, these always take some getting used to. I'm slightly bummed they didn't do a four-word title to match AOTC and TESB, and this would have made more sense as TFA's title. It's reminiscent of Transformers: The Last Knight, though both series have a history of similar-sounding names, just not in the same calendar year. And I always think it's funny when the word "last" is used in a title and the movie isn't the final entry in the series, though Last Crusade, Final Friday, and The Final Nightmare can't help that their series were continued later.

However, the title gets me excited to see much more of Luke Skywalker, who's explicitly called "the last Jedi" in TFA's opening crawl. And TLJ is an acronym that works, I suppose. :D Since "Jedi" is both singular and plural, it could theoretically apply to just Luke, or Luke and Rey, Kylo, or others, much like ROTJ could be interpreted to be about Luke, Anakin, or the Order as a whole. I also wouldn't be surprised if Rey becomes something other than a Jedi, given all the groundwork they've laid over the last few years with Force wielders and worshippers who aren't Jedi (the Dagoyan, Ahsoka, Bendu, Church of the Force, Guardians of the Whills...).
 

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Super not feeling this for the moment. The movies now go Return of the Jedi, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi? That's a mixed message at best. Might as well title your movies "we had one idea, we finished that idea, now we're doing that same idea again".
 

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Well, then Episode IX will be "Test Pattern." Or, "Toy Story IV: A New Franchise."

[edit] I had a little thought this morning: what if the Episode VII-IX subtitles spell out a sentence? As in "The Force awakens the last Jedi to complete the circle." Or "... to balance [or save] the galaxy." Hmm.
 
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I know the ENTIRE plot! Here's proof, from a certain EU thread here at SSG:

Bel-Cam said:
Finished two, one a resource book, the other a novel: The Last Jedi (Reaves, M. & MK Bohnhoff) and The Essential Reader's Companion (Hidalgo, P.). The adventures of Jax Pavan, I-Five, Den Dhur, and... Darth Vader? were pretty good (with a reeeeeeally slow middle part that dragged) and it's rare that I don't have any idea how a SW book will end. Shocking aspects to start, and others of lesser shock value throughout; this was a more-than decent continuation of the "Coruscant Nights" trilogy (and Shadow Games novel).
So there it is. Rey's not even IN this movie, I guess.
 

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I also saw on the interwebs an interesting idea that if you take the sub names of VII & VIII you get "The Force Awakens The Last Jedi." Does that mean something? Coincidence? Beats me.
 

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The new poster has Rey's and Kylo's "lightsabers" parallel, in the same direction. The TFA poster had the sabers intersect (although it was Finn who was holding it), when Rey and Kylo meet up for the first (maybe?) time. So, Rey follows the dark path in this film, then?
 

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After seeing the 7pm showing (non-3D, non-super duper sound), I will say the following:
- it was better than TFA
- worst opening crawl of any SW film (weak, simplistic, boring)
- I was surprised more than I expected, but there were quite a few predictable parts
- too much profanity ([email protected], big @ss, h3ll, [email protected]), dang it!
- too much 21st century terms and actions (shoulder dust...?)

I am going to see it again on Monday.

p.s. They ran 10 TRAILERS before it?!?
 

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Saw it. Liked it. Puzzled by it. Completely unsure of what can follow it.

Also, twin suns. So. Incredibly. Powerful.
 
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I just got home from seeing it.

I enjoyed it but I'm going to illustrate a ton of problems with it. That being said it was fun and it had good humor like when Poe was messing with Hux about being on hold.

The Canto Bight mission was almost pointless and DJ did not need to be in the story. Rose and her opinion about the elite military profiteers developed her character and what the cause was about as well as showing the kids inspired at the end.

I was surprised they killed Luke Skywalker! Of course Mark can play a ghost in episode 9

I loved the way they took out snoke but it made him pointless. What did snoke want? Why does kylo want to rule the galaxy? Is he still such a scared child because his uncle tried to molest him with lightsaber? I think that the dialogue between Han and Leia in the last movie suggested he had problems before he went to Luke. We still don't know what the Knights of Ren are.

Adam Driver gave a brilliant performance but his character did not seem to have clear motivation.

I did not like Leia flying through space. There should have been different damaged so she could be wounded but she would have been instantly killed if she was sucked out into space. The scene evoked Margot Kidder in Superman and did not belong in Star Wars.

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I interpreted that he used all his skills with his clone and became one with the Force.

I enjoyed it. Gonna try to see it again this weekend.

Here's nit-picky stuff:
* The bombers at the beginning, while cool, but were cumbersome. You can't tell me the Resistance doesn't have some Y-wings sitting around?
* Leia's outfit boggled me. The uniform she wore in TFA was more practical. Her dress looked like she was going to a coronation.
* It was like The Walking Dead, Star Wars style. Not afraid to kill people off.
 

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I interpreted that he used all his skills with his clone and became one with the Force.
Technically, I think it was more of a Force Illusion than a clone.

I did not like Leia flying through space.
That was one of my least favorite parts as well, but I seem to recall something like that happening in Rebels or The Clone Wars, so there may be some precedence for it in Star Wars canon.
 

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That was one of my least favorite parts as well, but I seem to recall something like that happening in Rebels or The Clone Wars, so there may be some precedence for it in Star Wars canon.
This episode - http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/The_Holocrons_of_Fate

"Maul double crosses Kanan once again and sends him out the airlock to die in the vacuum of space. But Kanan manages to float back inside the hanger bay before he can suffocate"
 

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Here's nit-picky stuff:
* The bombers at the beginning, while cool, but were cumbersome. You can't tell me the Resistance doesn't have some Y-wings sitting around?
* Leia's outfit boggled me. The uniform she wore in TFA was more practical. Her dress looked like she was going to a coronation.
* It was like The Walking Dead, Star Wars style. Not afraid to kill people off.
I am a little torn on this as well. In a sense, it's not very Star Wars. We spent about five minutes before this really pushing the limits of what an X-wing can do in space with the sudden stops and changes in direction or orientation since there are no aerodynamics in space, only to then introduce bombers that rather than firing proton torpedoes must actually drop bombs. This actually doesn't make any sense in space since there's no gravity so the bombs wouldn't fall, they would just float. They would need some mechanism to propel them towards the target and now the question is why aren't they just firing the bombs?

All that said, it was clear during the scene that the inspiration for this part was classic WWII movies like 12 o'clock high or even Red Tails where you've got slow, lumbering B-17s being escorted in by P-51s. I mean, it was borrowing from that feeling right down to the design of the bomb-bay doors and the ball turrets. What I do really like about that is the fact that that is exactly the type of feeling George Lucas was trying to evoke with a lot of the starfighter combat scenes in A New Hope. So, for me, the question comes down to, do you allow something that may not feel very sci-fi because we're tipping our caps to George and the way he made the OT in the first place? I guess I like it more than I dislike it at this point.
 

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Leia floating through space is perhaps one of the worst moments in SW cinematic history and something someone like Zach Snyder would create but the incredibly poignant Twin Suns 2.0 makes up for any shortcomings in this film, I feel.
 

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Okay, nitpickiness in 3, 2, 1... :rolleyes:

- Snoke did become useless, especially without ANY back story at all, not even a sniff of a hint. Liked his death scene, and the visuals of his corpse thereafter.
- I am so disappointed that I noticed Luke's lightsaber was wrong yet still didn't realize what that could mean. (loved the "throwaway" saber scene near the start, though)
- The little kid with the oh-so-not-so-subtle Force pull of his broom, then the pose with it like a sword, to lead into the credits? Hmm.
- Really wondered if the drowned X-Wing would make a return.
- The "powerful" First Order ships and tech were made to be mere toys. Remember the Simpsons scene where the cops are chasing the Wright Flier very. Very. Slowly? I did like how the single AT-AT in the Saltlick World battle was there for scale as to how big the AT-M6 walkers were.
- I think that Kylo's comment about Rey's parents is a red herring.

Overall, it was good. After my subsequent viewings, I will make an updated list (LISTS... :drool: ) of the films.
 

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I watched this movie a couple of nights ago on the 14th, our work had a private screening for family and friends.

It took a long time to process what I & the other co-workers I was sitting with were feeling. So here's my take on this:

The opening crawl was just horrendous, it just looked very out of place. The opening space battle with the one X-wing super pilot Poe & his bomber friends was just silly at best. Seriously he's a way better pilot than Anakin, Luke & Han. Give me a break. The hour and half space chase & we're about to run out of fuel bit was just stupid, & quite non Star Warish. Don't even get me started on Superman Leia, just so out of place it wasn't even funny.
I cannot fathom how stupid everyone is on both sides of the conflict. From Kylo, Hux to Poe & Leia, the're in a war & they make stupid decisions that should of ended the battle as soon as it began. Leaving doors open while ships are coming in at you and then say closed the blast doors. Flying into hangers and blowing **** up, yet you can escape with no way out but the way you came in. Come on now. Rey's parentage, Snoke's death, Luke's Death, no real lightsaber on lightsaber battles etc; all just bad & lazy film making. I don't know what to do, lets tell her shes from nobody, that will work. Snoke's super powerfull, lets show them & kill him in a b&tch a%% way. Luke, well he's just tired and cranky, he needs a force sleep. So cheezy it's not even funny. Disney has clearly in everway went out of their way to treat the OT characters like dirt & make everything they create so much better. Rey the Mary Sue of the film can do no wrong (besides stealing the Jedi books & lashing out in anger quite a bit) and is way more powerful than Luke (even ignites a lightsaber a him) at her stage of development in the force. (it came out of nowhere) Luke needed training and guidance like Anakin did, yet she just knows how to do it way better than them. Kylo Emo Vader is just a lame villain. He's super powerful in the force and Luke believes at one point he's the real chosen one. Nothing is really shown except he can kill snoke, which btw was really silly if you see how it was set up. Come on, Snoke was all powerful, super forced, all knowing; could not be beaten. He knew what Kylo was thinking, but couldn't see the lightsaber moving beside him. Geeze isn't that convenient writing, he gets whacked right after the big speech. Rey thinks she can save Kylo, so she rushes to face him, geeze I wonder what movie that's from? Not Empire or Anything. The AT-AT walkers on Crait, looked very similar to Empire as well. As soon as Luke showed up I knew it wasn't the real Luke. (looking 10 years younger and holding a friggen destroyed lightsaber) BTW the At-At walkers blasting him was taken right out of a video game.

I feel bad for Mark Hamill, his character was reduced to a tired, bitter old man, who had lost all hope and cut himself off from the force. A hero turned into a pathetic individual with many fallacies. After 34 years our hero comes back to the big screen and he's worse off than when he started out. He's regressed instead of grown (Disney's way of giving us the middle finger, our characters are much better. "Um Nope"). His performance was really great even though it pained him to portray his character this way. Leia didn't get much better treatment either. (Superman anyone) I did not enjoy Johnson's take on these characters is anway shape or form. Luke's death was not required to further the movie along, he could have gone off into the sunset to live another day.
(Lazy writing)(only for shock value and to get rid of another OT'er)


Scenes and characters not needed in the movie:

Finn & Rose's journey for a code breaker made no sense at all & ultimately not needed at all.
(Includes canto bight, Maze, & D.J.)
Admiral Holdo was not required, could have accomplished the same thing with Ackbar & had more effect.
Yoda was not required, he just shows up 30 years later to crack Luke over the head, laugh like a lunatic & burn down a tree that Luke is going to already BTW. (Shoe Horned)
Chewie about the eat the Porge, done for pure comedy and wasn't needed. Geeze you cooked it, just eat it.
If you wanted it to be funny offer a Porge a Porge. :)

This movie reeked of no direction. JJ set up direction to go in and Johnson just ignored it all. It was honestly like watching Battle Star Galactica, Empire, Looper, Superman & various video games on sceen combined to make one movie & taking a giant turd on the OT characters & the force itself in the process.

I have no desire to see this again. I am 100% confident that Uncle George would not have butchered his characters like Disney & Co have.

DB
 

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I saw it on Thursday. It's quite a lot to process, but my first thoughts were excitement at how risk-taking the storytelling was, and how WEIRD a lot of the elements are. I don't think I'll ever be able to unsee the...er...milk creature. o_O I thought the porgs were genuinely hilarious, and LOVED everything to do with the Force, especially Rey's visions and the Rashomon-style changing Luke and Ben flashbacks (straight-up flashbacks are new to Star Wars, but they were done interestingly here). The humor mostly fit, though there was a lot (not quite at Thor: Ragnarok levels) and the pacing between the various plot lines could have been a little tighter.

After having a few days to digest it, I think the themes of failure and disappointment are really interesting. Our heroes keep trying the same thing, to what effect? The same thing keeps happening over and over. Learn from the past, grow from your mistakes, try something different, and move forward. What's next? Luke's understanding of the failures and hubris of the pre-Empire Jedi was great, as it's in the subtext of the PT and TCW but seems to have been misunderstood by a lot of people...Rian Johnson understands it, and so does Luke. I imagine this whole theme is why the movie is already controversial, and partly why the PT was as well...these characters are not always perfect badasses from legends who can do no wrong, they're vulnerable and flawed and human. Though, as Luke's appearance on Crait shows, sometimes people do need to see them as legends.

Of course, this movie also plays on moments from previous films, most notably the battle of Hoth/Crait and the throne room scenes. The apprentice even kills the master, but doesn't get redemption...even after one hell of a team-up fight makes it look like he might. One of the only ANH moments not to get a direct callback in TFA was Leia's message to Obi-Wan, which is used here, and even Luke knows it's "a cheap trick." (Though, of course, I was excited to hear Luke use the name "Darth Sidious.")

While some of the story moments subvert fan expectations, like Luke throwing the lightsaber or Rey's parent reveal, I think they actually flow naturally from TFA. A big theme there is that, as Maz says to Rey, "the belonging you seek is not behind you; it is ahead." Rey's parents ultimately don't matter—it's how she moves forward and makes a new family and friend group, whether it's with Finn and the Resistance or, perhaps, Ben Solo. This film underlines that point by making them not only nobodies, but drunkards who sold her for money. The characters of Finn and Rose, the final moments on Canto Bight, and the entitlement of Kylo Ren remind us that heroes can come from anywhere, and it's ultimately up to the normal people of the galaxy to save it.