Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi

Bel-Cam Jos

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#41
To throw a hydrospanner into this thread and bring in another topic; has anyone mentioned that Vice Admiral Holdo could be Winter from the old EU stories? Make "Winter" her nickname (based on her hair color?) and bring back her Leia/Alderaan back story, and oh, man...
 

Bel-Cam Jos

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#42
I saw it the [third] time, ...
- Luke's reply while holding the dice of "No one is really ever gone" ... Han's ghost in E9? All three of the OT stars as ghosts?
- Mark Hamill is double cast (can't recall the character's name in the credits, but there's a 'D' in one of the 2 names)
- I forgot to remember the first line (stupid, Bel-Cam! ), but the last I did recall from my first viewing: "We have all that we need," by Leia, on the Falcon.
- since Phasma's armor deflects blaster bolts, and according to her novel, was made from Palapatine's Naboo ship, she may survive her plunge... with a scar
- and this is important, based on how the film seems to be quite explicit in its dialogue and actiosn that the newer films won't be like the old series has been... THERE WAS NO "I HAVE A BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS" LINE. Unless I missed it.
- the rehashed dialogue was even harder to take this [third] time around
- I now care little about WHO Snoke is, but if there's a novel that fills in those gaps, I'll read it
I am now convinced that somehow Han (in ghost form?) will affect a key moment with Kylo/Ben.

Mark Hamill's character is Dobba Scray [?], who might be the fathiers' handler who chases out the kids at the end, if the credits list minor characters by their scenes

The first line is spoken by a technician on D'Qar, and I believe it is "We aren't done [finished?] yet. There are still 30 pallets of munitions left."

Still don't like the IHABFAT cheat, nor the rehashed ESB and ROJ dialogue. Phasma got the ROJ Boba Fett treatment.

There was an edit in this version: Chewie doesn't throw the cooked porg over his shoulder! :eek:

There are some new subtleties about Snoke I noticed this time: Luke knew of him while he was training Jedi ("Leia blamed Snoke, but it was me" when lamenting about failing his nephew; "Snoke had already turned [Ben] to the dark..." ). Snoke was apparently unaware that the FO could track ships in hyperspace, as he was pleased when Hux informed him (and his "faith" in his underlings can be easily restored). His hand was severed and laying on his throne, when his legs fall off.

I still don't understand why some footprints show up red on Crait [sp?].

Can DJ turn into a Lando-type in E9, the reformed traitor?
 

Ando

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#44
I have strong feelings for and about this film…

I skipped work for a few hours and saw The Last Jedi on a Wednesday afternoon the week after it came out and I loved it. I showed up ready to have a good time and I was not disappointed.

I knew the rough outline of the film due to the instant fanboy spoiler filled butthurt outrage that rippled and cascaded throughout the soon to kill us all deregulated Internet as well as reading the Wikipedia synopsis shortly after lunch on the 15th. I believe this helped me enjoy the movie that much more because instead of being shocked at what they did, I was able to be pleasantly surprised at *HOW* they did it.

My personal opinion is that almost top to bottom, beginning to end, this was the best and most Star Wars Star Wars that has ever Star Wars'd, second only to Empire. It’s also a pretty good Spaceballs. I laughed way more and way harder than I expected to ever laugh in a Star Wars movie and that was a *GREAT* thing for me.


I loved how Rian Johnson thumbed his nose at the fan service that we have come to expect and now feel we're entitled to and gave us the plate full of vegetables that we deserve.

This movie gave us obscure references and winks that I personally loved. A First Order robot dedicated to ironing (HARDWARE WARS!)?!

A little Porg staring down the business end of the old Skywalker lightsaber like Luke did in A New Hope?!

Useless as ever out Captain Phasma but hey, cool armor makes you cool getting Boba Fett'd (again and hopefully for good)?!

The bait and switch on Canto Bight with the well dressed and obviously smooth talking debonair Justin Theruouszeerxzx character filling in for Lando Calrissian (nice moustache!) but instead we get Benicio Del Toro's stuttering Space Junkie with a heart who ends up betraying them?!

And one of my personal favorites... The blink and you'll miss it tribute to fallen Red Squadron X Wing pilot Porkins. At the beginning while the Resistance is sustaining heavy losses against the First Order, a rotund bearded fellow piloting an X Wing eats it after only being on screen briefly. According to my daughter's The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary, this brave pilot's name was Tubbs.

This movie told us a few things about what we could expect along the way and some folks got the message, some folks didn't, and some folks just plain hated the message; This isn't going to go the way you think. What did you expect? Luke Skywalker to show up swinging a laser sword and take on the whole First Order? There's no sacred cows (except the one that Luke milks on Space Ireland).

Last but not least, Star Wars is for kids (and for me, a giant kid at heart). Not just subtly with how Rey reacted with the "dark side" area hall of mirrors place on the island with a sense of "meh" but also very literally with the slave children on Canto Bight cheering on heroes Finn and Rose and again at the end as one of them retold the tale of the epic battle of Luke Skywalker VS the entire First Order (“hey, I thought you said you weren't gonn...” “SHHHHH! It's gonna be okay...”).

And then finally when that little stable boy uses the force to grab his broom as he looks to the stars. Like we all did. Either back in the 70's and 80's or in the 90's and 00's (some of those on this site first came in to Star Wars with the prequels).

This was the first Star Wars movie that I have seen in the theater since I was a kid where I came out feeling like a kid and completely thrilled by what I had just seen instead of just kind of like "Yay?! Star Wars, right?!".

I loved it, and if I hadn't had to head back to my office, I would have marched right back to the box office, slammed my credit card on the counter, and said "hit me again".

I can't wait to see how JJ Abrams maneuvers the franchise out of Rian Johnson's Kobayashi Maru with Carrie Fisher gone but Leia Organa alive at the end of the movie. And I'm damn excited about it because my little girl, who loves her Disney LED lightsabers and her Galactic Heroes BB-8 playset, and most of all her TFA Rey action figure, will be (hopefully) old enough to see the Episode IX in the theater with me like when my Dad took me.

So show me on the crudely constructed Luke Skywalker doll those Canto Bight slave children were playing with in the storytelling scene at the end of The Last Jedi where this movie ruined your childhood.


I'll hold.
 

Bel-Cam Jos

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#45
After my 4th viewing today:
- the first line is "We aren't clear yet."
- I still missed BB-8's beeped IHABFAT "line"
- Chewie's tossed Porg scene seems edited for good (bad?)
- reading the Canto Bight book showed me some aliens to look for in the casino chase scene
- I'm not sure, but I think the whispering Rey hears on the hill just before she heads to the tree on the island is the Jedi Code
 

bigbarada

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#46
If the internet had existed in 1980, I can only imagine that fan reaction to their first viewing of ESB would be pretty similar to what we're seeing for TLJ. That's not to say that ESB isn't a better film, but I definitely remember the days when ESB was considered a bit of a snoozer and the least interesting film in the trilogy. That really only started to change in the late-80s or early-90s.

I enjoyed TLJ for the most part (although I would still consider Thor: Ragnarok to be my favorite film of 2017), but I will reserve final judgement on this new trilogy until after I have seen Ep9.
 
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#47
After my 4th viewing today:
- the first line is "We aren't clear yet."
- I still missed BB-8's beeped IHABFAT "line"
- Chewie's tossed Porg scene seems edited for good (bad?)
- reading the Canto Bight book showed me some aliens to look for in the casino chase scene
- I'm not sure, but I think the whispering Rey hears on the hill just before she heads to the tree on the island is the Jedi Code
* BB-8 line. If you're not listening for it, you can miss it.
* One of the Canto Bight characters is in a deleted scene.

Finally getting around to watching TLJ at home. Watched the deleted scenes first, and it immediately got me to wonder: would adding some of the scenes back into the movie made it better?

Would've loved to seen the opening space battle enhanced and Luke's scene was moving. The Canto Bight scene was good but it was still a little long, IMO.